Talk:Inni, 1994 - Revision history

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‎Italian only?

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   Holy, holy, holy, holy is the Lord!
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 I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 :After looking at them, no. 56 is the only one that looks questionable, as the poet's name appears to be German. [[User:Veramet|Veramet]] 06:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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 I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
-:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[讃美歌, 1954|Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
+:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[讃美歌, 1954|Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[讃美歌 21|Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 ::Ah yes, it's good to see someone else has had experience with this. It's more widespread than I might have thought. [[User:Veramet|Veramet]] 07:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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	I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[讃美歌, 1954\|Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[讃美歌, 1954\|Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
		+	::Ah yes, it's good to see someone else has had experience with this. It's more widespread than I might have thought. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 07:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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	I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
−	:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)	+	:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[讃美歌, 1954\|Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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	I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
		+	:Yes, sometimes the only real connection is the tune. For example, a hymn in the Japanese [[Sambika (1954)]] was frequently regarded/treated as the Japanese version of "Joyful, joyful, we adore Thee" simply because it was sung to ''Hymn to Joy'' (arranged from Beethoven's 9th Symphony). In fact, the Japanese hymn is a translation of a text beginning "Ring, O ring, ye chimes of glory". I have not yet been able to locate that text, which was written by a Canadian Methodist missionary in Japan in the late 1800s. But I keep looking. The current Japanese hymnal, [[Sambika 21]], has an actual translation of "Joyful, joyful" and the "Ring, O ring" translation has been omitted. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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−	I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)	+	I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles, or articles about the Italian (or such) ones for those that weren't originally in English. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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	I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
	:After looking at them, no. 56 is the only one that looks questionable, as the poet's name appears to be German. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		:After looking at them, no. 56 is the only one that looks questionable, as the poet's name appears to be German. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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		+	I put article links (or whatever you call them) around all the Italian names of the hymns. This is with the intention of one day having these redirect to the English articles. Notes on differences in meaning between the Italian and English should be noted. I've noticed that translations of songs are often quite liberal, and sometimes are different hymns, with 'similar' themes. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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	I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
−	:After looking at them, no. 56 is the only one that looks questionable, as the ~~composer~~'s name appears to be German. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)	+	:After looking at them, no. 56 is the only one that looks questionable, as the poet's name appears to be German. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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	I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		I've noticed it says Italian only by some of the hymns in this article. Are you sure none of these are also in English, but just not in the most recent LDS hymnal, or also included in another foreign hymnal? Anyway, if you don't know for sure, I propose we change those to stars or something. It's also possible some of these are hymns not in any other LDS hymnals, but that they are Italian translations from other hymns not previously used in LDS hymnals. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
		+	:After looking at them, no. 56 is the only one that looks questionable, as the composer's name appears to be German. [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 06:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)