Talk:Be Thou My Vision - Revision history

Haruo at 01:23, 28 July 2007

2007-07-28T01:23:45Z

Haruo at 01:22, 28 July 2007

2007-07-28T01:22:54Z

Veramet at 00:36, 28 July 2007

2007-07-28T00:36:14Z

Haruo: New page: My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on Slane r...

2007-06-06T07:17:21Z

New page: My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on Slane r...

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My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on [[Slane]] rather than [[Be Thou My Vision]], even if the mp3 title indicates otherwise. IMHO. --[[User:Haruo|Haruo]] 01:17, 6 June 2007 (MDT)

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 ::*The Catholic (Dominican) [[Summit Choirbook]], 1983, gives Slane as the second tune for a [[John Mason Neale|J. M. Neale]] (alt.) text, for the feast of Saints Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael—no wonder we poor Baptists and Mormons don't know this one! ;-) —beginning [[Stars of the Morning, So Gloriously Bright]]; Neale translated the text from a 9th-century original (in Greek?) by [[St. Joseph the Hymnographer]]. The text is not under copyright (Neale died comfortably long in the past), though the arrangement of Slane by Martin Shaw (d. 1958) is still protected, probably by Oxford. They do not have "Be Thou My Vision".
 ::*[[A New Hymnal for Colleges and Schools, 1992]], published by the Yale University Press, sets three texts to Slane: "Lord of All Hopefulness", "Be Thou My Vision" '''''and''''' a text beginning [[Christ Be My Leader]] by Anglican hymnist (Bishop) [[Timothy Dudley-Smith]], © 1964 by Hope Publishing Company.
---[[User:Haruo|Haruo]] 19:22, 27 July 2007 (MDT)
+::--[[User:Haruo|Haruo]] 19:22, 27 July 2007 (MDT)

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	My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on [[Slane]] rather than [[Be Thou My Vision]], even if the mp3 title indicates otherwise. IMHO. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 01:17, 6 June 2007 (MDT)		My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on [[Slane]] rather than [[Be Thou My Vision]], even if the mp3 title indicates otherwise. IMHO. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 01:17, 6 June 2007 (MDT)
	:Good point. It is just the tune. It should be noted, though (and I do still agree with you), that the tune slightly differs with [[Be Thou My Vision]] and [[Take Time to Be Holy]] (and so does the meter). I generally prefer the tune used with [[Take Time to Be Holy]], but I think the lyrics to [[Be Thou My Vision]] are more aesthetically appealing. Are there other hymns that use this tune? [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 18:36, 27 July 2007 (MDT)		:Good point. It is just the tune. It should be noted, though (and I do still agree with you), that the tune slightly differs with [[Be Thou My Vision]] and [[Take Time to Be Holy]] (and so does the meter). I generally prefer the tune used with [[Take Time to Be Holy]], but I think the lyrics to [[Be Thou My Vision]] are more aesthetically appealing. Are there other hymns that use this tune? [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 18:36, 27 July 2007 (MDT)
		+	::Leafing through the hymnals that surround me at the moment, I find that
		+	::*the [[Evangelical Lutheran Hymnary, 1996]] uses [[Slane]] for a text beginning [[Lord of All Hopefulness]] by one J. Struther, which they say is © Oxford University Press and taken from [[Enlarged Songs of Praise, 1931]](?). [[Lutheran Book of Worship, 1978]] has the same hymn and says Struther's first name was Jan. The Episcopal [[Hymnal 1982]] has the same hymn. So has the Christian Reformed [[Psalter Hymnal, 1987]]. The Episcopalians also have [[Be Thou My Vision]]; both brands of Lutherans, and the CRC, omit it. The Catholic (Benedictine) [[Collegeville Hymnal, 1990]], like ''Hymnal 1982'', has both texts.
		+	::*The Catholic (Dominican) [[Summit Choirbook]], 1983, gives Slane as the second tune for a [[John Mason Neale\|J. M. Neale]] (alt.) text, for the feast of Saints Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael—no wonder we poor Baptists and Mormons don't know this one! ;-) —beginning [[Stars of the Morning, So Gloriously Bright]]; Neale translated the text from a 9th-century original (in Greek?) by [[St. Joseph the Hymnographer]]. The text is not under copyright (Neale died comfortably long in the past), though the arrangement of Slane by Martin Shaw (d. 1958) is still protected, probably by Oxford. They do not have "Be Thou My Vision".
		+	::*[[A New Hymnal for Colleges and Schools, 1992]], published by the Yale University Press, sets three texts to Slane: "Lord of All Hopefulness", "Be Thou My Vision" '''''and''''' a text beginning [[Christ Be My Leader]] by Anglican hymnist (Bishop) [[Timothy Dudley-Smith]], © 1964 by Hope Publishing Company.
		+	--[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 19:22, 27 July 2007 (MDT)

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	My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on [[Slane]] rather than [[Be Thou My Vision]], even if the mp3 title indicates otherwise. IMHO. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 01:17, 6 June 2007 (MDT)		My computer doesn't have speakers, so I can't tell if the "piano version" mp3 has sung text, or just the tune. If just the tune, the link to the mp3 should be at the article on [[Slane]] rather than [[Be Thou My Vision]], even if the mp3 title indicates otherwise. IMHO. --[[User:Haruo\|Haruo]] 01:17, 6 June 2007 (MDT)
		+	:Good point. It is just the tune. It should be noted, though (and I do still agree with you), that the tune slightly differs with [[Be Thou My Vision]] and [[Take Time to Be Holy]] (and so does the meter). I generally prefer the tune used with [[Take Time to Be Holy]], but I think the lyrics to [[Be Thou My Vision]] are more aesthetically appealing. Are there other hymns that use this tune? [[User:Veramet\|Veramet]] 18:36, 27 July 2007 (MDT)