James Lucas - Revision history

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 *1762–1800 (this is based on the evidence below)
 **One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800 (of England)<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208–209)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
-**A particularly interesting LDS source says the following: “The tune was composed by James Lucas, of whom little is known except that he lived in England in 1726 and composed the tune called "Lucas" in 1805.”<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=WHQQJaYIebwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Stories+of+latter+day+saint+hymns&sig=sl2qy60-tSb2IBOV1YdmgZ08gQM#PPA148,M1 Stories of Latter Day Saint Hymns Their Authors and Composers, 1939 (p. 148)]</ref>
+**A particularly interesting LDS source says the following: “The tune was composed by James Lucas, of whom little is known except that he lived in England in 1726 and composed the tune called "Lucas" in 1805.”<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=WHQQJaYIebwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Stories+of+latter+day+saint+hymns&sig=sl2qy60-tSb2IBOV1YdmgZ08gQM#PPA148,M1 Stories of Latter Day Saint Hymns Their Authors and Composers, 1939 (p. 148)]</ref>  There is doubt as to the accuracy of this statement, just as with the other information mentioned (he couldn't have written the song five years after his death; perhaps it was just first published in 1805).
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 *1762–1800 (this is based on the evidence below)
 **One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800 (of England)<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208–209)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
-**A particularly interesting source says the following: “The tune was composed by James Lucas, of whom little is known except that he lived in England in 1726 and composed the tune called "Lucas" in 1805.”<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=WHQQJaYIebwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Stories+of+latter+day+saint+hymns&sig=sl2qy60-tSb2IBOV1YdmgZ08gQM#PPA148,M1 Stories of Latter Day Saint Hymns Their Authors and Composers, 1939 (p. 148)]</ref>
+**A particularly interesting LDS source says the following: “The tune was composed by James Lucas, of whom little is known except that he lived in England in 1726 and composed the tune called "Lucas" in 1805.”<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=WHQQJaYIebwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Stories+of+latter+day+saint+hymns&sig=sl2qy60-tSb2IBOV1YdmgZ08gQM#PPA148,M1 Stories of Latter Day Saint Hymns Their Authors and Composers, 1939 (p. 148)]</ref>
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 *1762–1800 (this is based on the evidence below)
 **One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800 (of England)<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208–209)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
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 *1762–1800 (this is based on the evidence below)
-**One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208–209)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
+**One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800 (of England)<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208–209)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
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 *1762–1800 (this is based on the evidence below)
-**One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
+**One source says he lived from 1762 to 1800<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=46Hjh6kVApQC&pg=PA208&dq=lucas+hymn+1800+1762&as_brr=1 The Story of the Tunes, 1890 (p. 208–209)]</ref>, and another source verifies that he was born at this date<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=M9YHIaRQTsIC&pg=PA460&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1 The Hymns and Hymn Writers of the Church, 1911 (p. 460)]</ref>, while later Latter-day Saint sources say he was born in 1726<ref>Stories of Our Mormon Hymns, 1963 (p. 25)</ref><ref>[[Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1985]] (no. 217)</ref> and list no death date.  Some sources cite 1805<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=h2Kg3lC-nU4C&pg=PA399&dq=james+lucas+hymn&as_brr=1#PPA551,M1 The Methodist Hymnal, 1905 (p. 551)]</ref> and 1820<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=W4VLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&dq=%22Come,+let+us+anew%22+lucas&as_brr=1#PPA456,M1 Hymnal of the Methodist Episcopal Church: With Tunes, 1878 (p. 456)]</ref><ref>[http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/l/u/lucas_j.htm Cyberhymnal article on James Lucas]</ref> as dates of importance to him, somehow (they do not say what these dates are for).
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 *[[Lucas]]
 **Modern sources generally say this tune is attributed to him, and not definitely his.  Loads of old hymnals list him as being the composer, however, without additional notes.